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Jan Drew  
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(3 users)  More options Jul 4, 11:49 pm
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From: "Jan Drew" <jdrew1...@sbcglobal.net>
Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2008 23:49:24 -0400
Local: Fri, Jul 4 2008 11:49 pm
Subject: Unnecessary Deaths from Hospital Infections
Unnecessary Deaths from Hospital Infections

http://www.hospitalinfection.org/ridbooklet.pdf

Well over 100,000 die.
Fourth cause of death in America.


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charles q  
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 More options Jul 8, 1:54 am
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From: charles q <q.charles...@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 22:54:38 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Tues, Jul 8 2008 1:54 am
Subject: Re: Unnecessary Deaths from Hospital Infections
On Jul 4, 8:49 pm, "Jan Drew" <jdrew1...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> Unnecessary Deaths from Hospital Infections

> http://www.hospitalinfection.org/ridbooklet.pdf

> Well over 100,000 die.
> Fourth cause of death in America.

Much of it is caused by bad hygene by the hospital employees
themselves.Thats pretty bad considering now when you have to spend any
amount of time in a hospital you hav to wonder if the nurse has washed
her hands before she comes to you'r room and does whatever it is she
has to do

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charles q  
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 More options Jul 8, 2:12 am
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From: charles q <q.charles...@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 23:12:10 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Tues, Jul 8 2008 2:12 am
Subject: Re: Unnecessary Deaths from Hospital Infections
On Jul 4, 8:49 pm, "Jan Drew" <jdrew1...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> Unnecessary Deaths from Hospital Infections

> http://www.hospitalinfection.org/ridbooklet.pdf

> Well over 100,000 die.
> Fourth cause of death in America.

A lot of it comes from the hospital emplyees themselves.Nurses who
don't sanitise their hand and such and even doctors that don't,Now
when i have to spend any amount of time in a hospital I have to worry
and wonder if the next person thats going to check me out has cleaned
theirselves first

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Andrew Heenan  
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 More options Jul 8, 6:51 am
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From: "Andrew Heenan" <f...@will.com>
Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 11:51:52 +0100
Local: Tues, Jul 8 2008 6:51 am
Subject: Re: Unnecessary Deaths from Hospital Infections

"charles q" <q.charles...@gmail.com> wrote:
> A lot of it comes from the hospital emplyees themselves.
> Nurses who don't sanitise their hand and such and even
> doctors that don't, Now when i have to spend any
> amount of time in a hospital I have to worry and wonder
> if the next person thats going to check me out has
> cleaned theirselves first

"even doctors"? there's plenty of research (and simple observation!) that
shows that doctors are infinitely worse (to the point of danger) at
cleansing their hands; just that few doctors actually touch patients these
days.

It's also true research shows that nurses don't wash their hands as often as
they ought - but they are getting better, and - charles obviously hasn't
noticed - they do wear gloves for much patient contact these days.

Worth saying that patients themselves are often reponsible for their own
infections, either being unco-operative with regular washes, inserting dirty
digits into clean dressings, and generally fiddling about with items they
probably should leave well alone (yes, it happens).

Most infections are froma patient's own flora and fauna; it's now becoming
apparent that even MRSA is brought into hospital much more than was
realised.

But, having set the record a little straighter, this conversation would be
much more useful if it moved from blame to more positive approaches on
preventing unnecessary deaths. That's the only way to bring the numbers
down.

Like safe staffing levels, less shared equipment, controlled visiting,
decent food, care contracts and zero tolerance in some cases ... over to
you.
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D. C. Sessions  
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 More options Jul 8, 10:23 am
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From: "D. C. Sessions" <d...@lumbercartel.com>
Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2008 07:23:37 -0700
Local: Tues, Jul 8 2008 10:23 am
Subject: Re: Unnecessary Deaths from Hospital Infections
In message <59330d70-0d81-47cd-bd00-9860e1323...@k30g2000hse.googlegroups.com>, charles q wrote:

> A lot of it comes from the hospital emplyees themselves.Nurses who
> don't sanitise their hand and such and even doctors that don't,Now
> when i have to spend any amount of time in a hospital I have to worry
> and wonder if the next person thats going to check me out has cleaned
> theirselves first

No, you don't.

Either you see her change gloves or you tell her that
she isn't allowed to touch you.  Same for the doc and
anyone else.  If they do, yell at the top of your lungs
and demand an incident report.

NB: one of the more egregious practices today is that
workers "glove up" before seeing patients -- and don't
change gloves *between* patients.

--
| "Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against |
|  unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct   |
|  before reason can act on them" -- Thomas Jefferson    |
+-------- D. C. Sessions <d...@lumbercartel.com> ---------+


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D. C. Sessions  
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 More options Jul 8, 10:25 am
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From: "D. C. Sessions" <d...@lumbercartel.com>
Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2008 07:25:45 -0700
Local: Tues, Jul 8 2008 10:25 am
Subject: Re: Unnecessary Deaths from Hospital Infections
In message <6dgv9qF2i1k...@mid.individual.net>, Andrew Heenan wrote:

> It's also true research shows that nurses don't wash their hands as often as
> they ought - but they are getting better, and - charles obviously hasn't
> noticed - they do wear gloves for much patient contact these days.

Studies show that the current problem is more often that
they don't _change_ gloves between patients.

IMHO there should be a red can outside of every patient room
and any staff wearing gloves *outside* of a room written up,
any staff _without_ gloves inside of a room likewise.

--
| "Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against |
|  unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct   |
|  before reason can act on them" -- Thomas Jefferson    |
+-------- D. C. Sessions <d...@lumbercartel.com> ---------+


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